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With the reorganisation of the Sites, and the arrival of 2006, it seemed appropriate to add
a new "discussion and contact" page for Family Historians

Entries for 2006:

16 February - 8 entries

Valerie Blosse, contactable through me, has sent me the following:

I recently saw an enquiry dated Dec 2004 on your website from a Dennis Oakley of Denmead ... and thought he may be interested in the James Oakley I have come across in my researches.

My husband’s 4x great-aunt Charlotte Gridley married a Samuel Oakley in 1829 in Glemsford, producing a son James in 1854.

The only information I have concerning James is his birth on 28 Nov 1854 and baptism on 10 July 1864 (source: parish records of St. Mary’s, Glemsford). However, the following information is taken from the Roll of Honour web site and could possibly refer to a son of the above James:

Frederick OAKLEY Sergeant 6363, 2nd Battalion, Suffolk Regiment. Killed in action Tuesday 11th May 1915 in France & Flanders. Age 31. Born Glemsford, Suffolk, enlisted Sudbury. Son of James Oakley, of Chequers Lane, Glemsford, Suffolk; husband of Alice Oakley, of 9, Victoria Rd., Newport, Isle of Wight. Buried in WYTSCHAETE MILITARY CEMETERY, Heuvelland, West-Vlaanderen, Belgium. Grave IV. A. 3.

Incidentally, one of the Gridley’s returned from Australia having been one of “those transported…” but he was back in Glemsford for the census of 1861 so could not have brought back the tollgate token of 1865.

I was able to add a little extra detail to the Frederick end of the story, in that I've spotted a marriage for Frederick Jacob and Alice Annie E Morris on the Isle of Wight in 1910.
The "Jacob" bit also looks promising, because on the 1861 Census, Jacob Oakley, aged 40, is listed as the father of James Oakley, age 6. Unfortunately, that, of course, does not help with Samuel! Jacob's wife in 1861 is given as Elizabeth, which also doesn't help!

Other work on the censuses got me back fairly securely to the marriage of James Oakley and Emma Boreham in 1878.

And I've got lots of other possibilities which I won't bore people with here.

Meanwhile, Valerie poses other questions which, at present, I can't help with:

James and Samuel are the only Oakleys who appear in my family history research.
My main interest is the GRIDLEY family, of whom there are a fair number in Glemsford from 1747 onwards, all of whom I have linked, the exception being Henry GRIDLEY b. c1801 who married Sarah GOODY in 1821.

Henry was transported for 7 years in 1838 for stealing two loaves of bread – his fourth offence in 9 years for stealing food. He obtained his Certificate of Freedom in 1849 and eventually returned to Glemsford where he was found with his wife Sarah in the 1861 census. He died in 1870.

What I would like to know is who his parents were, so if anyone can tell me that I will be delighted. It would be good to know if we can claim a transportee for a family member!

Over to you lot!


I have been able to help Eleanor Brewster with a little extra information, but there is much more to do:

I am related to the Brewsters of Glemsford - My relatives are Henry Brewster (1833) who was married to Elizabeth Feltwell.
They had children Eleanor and Ernestine Brewster (born 1873 and 1855) and lived in Brook Street, Glemsford.

I would be really grateful if anyone had any information they were willing to share regarding these people, or other relatives.

We know that Henry was a blacksmith, born in Cavendish; Elizabeth was born in Newton; and we have tracked them reasonably successfully on the available censuses.

As usual, contact me first at admin@glemsford.org.uk - and I'll pass on any messages.


Jackie Foster is enquiring about this family connection:

If anyone can help with William Thompson and Sarah Hartley who began their partnership in 1837 (were never married) and were still together in 1901 when they were 85 and 82 respectively. Living with them still in 1901 was their bachelor son Emmanuel who was then 64 (tin man and brazer like his father). Their other children were Thomas b1839, William b1841, George b1844, Ann b1847, Blaize b1848, (Emmanuel b1853 above), Elizabeth b1855 and Benjamin b1859. Though registered as Hartley they latterly may have used the name Thompson. The family's addresses were Hunts Hill and Tye Green. I would be interested to hear from either the Thompson or Hartley families who may be able to furnish further information.

My connection is with Blaize, sometimes Blace, sometimes George? Who was my Great Grandfather.

- As always, contact may be made through me at admin@glemsford.org.uk - and I'll make the contact.


Pauline has not heard from Debbie Hedges since a request for contact at the back end of 2005
Perhaps Debbie could contact me again - admin@glemsford.org.uk - and I'll pass on any messages.


Clif (I have his address) contacted me with this:
I have a James King marrying a Mary Wordley ( Born Abt 1805 Orsett, Essex ) in Glemsford on the 24 Oct 1826.
The earliest Census I have access to, the 1851, has Mary as a Widow, also the 1861, 1871, 1881 Census she is living with a succession of other Widowed relatives ( with just the two parties in the household so no ' real clues ).
I note one was ' Ambrose and another was Mortlock and niece and Cousin are used to describe the probable spider-web-relationships of this family.
I wonder if anyone knows anything about James King or has access to the 1841 Census for Glemsford, so that I might have a date to work on of his Birth and possible Children.
Incidentally my link is a James Wordley King Born 31 July 1831 who married Jessie Boggis, ( daughter of Golding Boggis and Maria Bigg ) in 1855 Sudbury RD and they ., as a family on the Census;'s were involved with the Griffin Hotel , 10 Cornhill, Bury St Edmunds.

I was able to offer the following:
"The 1841 Census has James King, aged 50, a tailor, living with Mary, aged 35, and James, aged 9, on Fair Green.
Unfortunately, that's the only information on the 1841 census, other an "whether born in the county": Mary has "no".
An interesting point seems to be that the family was sharing accommodation with Hannah Mortlock, a grocer, who appears with Mary on the 1851 Census as Mary's aunt. And I notice on 1851 that there were several Wordley families close by.
In 1841, there seem to have been 3 adult males by name of King - 2 on Churchgate, both George, and James.
There were 9 adult male Wordleys."

but if anyone else has more to offer, feel free to contact me.
Rita Burgess (address, email etc. withheld but available from me) has made contact.
There is a large number of points here for future reference, and ideas for further research.
Thanks very much for the contact Rita, and for all this fascinating material.

Some 20 years ago I worked on a family history project with Richard Deeks, for my HEMPSTEAD, BYFORD and PEARMAN families in Glemsford, and found such a lot of material we had a family reunion in 1989 - when the church bells were rung for us for the first time in 30 years and 106 unknown relations appeared! Chris (?) helped organise this too, I think he was involved in your Society. I used to run a family newsletter too, to which various people contributed, and also was able to create talks to give to various societies about my findings and the case studies of different people and their lives in 19th century Suffolk.

I have now retired and looking at your website today I see many names and addresses and dates which I have come across before. From a junk shop in Colchester years ago I was fortunate enough to acquire about 45 parchment documents/deeds about the Hempstead blacksmith's shop and other property in Egremont Street, and have since deposited them with Suffolk Record Office at Bury St. Edmunds. They give a history of the property from about 1770 to 1947, including details of who lived nearby, their jobs etc.

I also did a large transportation project with Richard on my ancestor who was transported in 1841 for receiving stolen pigs and wheat and have researched his life in great detail, including his time on a prison hulk, his journey "down under" and what happened to him in Tasmania (from Tasmanian records) and how he came back to Glemsford a rich man after visiting the goldfields at Ballarat after his Pardon was granted.

The other interesting ancestor is one James Byford who served with Wellington in the Peninsular Campaign and on whom I have a wealth of information as he was a Chelsea Pensioner. I have seen his medals in a Museum, and obtained copies of the strategy plans for the Siege of Badajoz, where James was injured in 1812, and other information about the 95th Foot, his regiment; and Richard Deeks gave me a small drawing of where he lived in Glemsford from the tithe map.

My Hempstead research starts with William in 1801 paying a Highways Rate, and ends (in Glemsford at least) in 1879 with William's death in Sudbury Union Workhouse.

Although of course I followed my direct Gt Grandfather as a matmaker when he moved to Middlesex, to teach matmaking at Feltham Borstal in the 1880s. I also have a tremendous amount of information on the Byford family and some on the Pearmans. I have met Miss Bullingham who was very kind in helping with our Reunion in 1989, and also Joan Totman, a direct descendant of William Hempstead Pearman, my transportee. I also used to know Blanche Byford quite well, and have a marvellous photograph of her at our Reunion in 1989 with all the other family members.

If you would like to contact me or include any of the above on your website, please do so. Many thanks for an excellent site by the way.

I was particularly interested in the old postcard of Glemsford Station, but it does not state when it was opened, I presume about 1865 like Clare. Incidentally, the pub at the crossroads was the 3 Tuns, not the 3 Turns! And one of my Byfords ran it I seem to remember, at one time.

Aha! Controversy! Talk to any Old Glemsfordian and they will insist it is the Three TuRns. The 1:10000 OS map for 1905(?) says so too. Has anybody else got any thoughts on this?
Glemsford station was opened at the same time as Clare, in 1865, when the line through to Haverhill and Cambridge was completed.

SC

Also, one of my cousins I discovered through researching the Hempsteads has now moved from Sussex back to Glemsford recently and is very happy there! Small world!

Best wishes

Rita Burgess


Francis Carroll McMullen, from Pennsylvania (email address available from me) wrote to me on 5 January 2006.

Greetings from "across the pond" !
I found my way to this site via "Google", while trying to research some of my American ancestors.

One of the family names on my Mother's side is "Mundy"...a Google search on "Mundys in Albemarle County" turned-up this site, with a question from the following e-mail address:dbmundy@kc.rr.com, inquiring if "anybody knew of any Mundys in the US...the earliest listing we found was a James (?) Mundy in Albermarle Co., Virginia, in the 1740's..."

This is probably not much help to that individual, but my maternal great-grandfather was one "Granville Pleasant Mundy", a gentleman-farmer, specializing in apples and cherries, on a mountain farm about 30 miles north of Charlottesville, Albemarle Co, Virginia. He passed away around 1915, leaving a widow (Mary Susan Maupin) and seven children.

My family knows very little about its history (paternal or maternal) past my grandparent's generation (sadly); the Maupin family has been able to trace its roots back to the Huguenots in 16th century France...but the other branches remain shrouded in mystery, even in the age of the internet !

It's not much to go on, but "Granville Pleasant" strikes me as being a very "English" given name, especially in rural America in the late 19th century, so there must have been some proud family background to carry this name down to my great grandfather.

I hope that perhaps this annecdotal bit might fill in a gap for someone...if perchance anyone "over there" knows anything about Mundys who emigrated to Virginia, or can establish a connection to Mundys in Great Britain, it would be wonderful to hear from them!

Kindest regards,

Francis Carroll McMullen
Scranton,
Pennsylvania
(There's a wonderful little brewery in Hertfordshire that bears our name...)


Julie (email address available from me) asks a simple question:
"Hi There,
I hope you don’t think I’m being too cheeky, but does anyone know of a list of graves/inscriptions etc - from St Marys Church in Glemsford?"

Well? Does anyone? Let us know.


Dawn - same arrangement for contacting her - has a straight-forward question:
"I am looking for the parents and more if possible of an Ambrose Hartley who married an Ellen/Eleanor Clarke in 1852 at Glemsford."

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